The Secondary Update - Suggestion list.



  • The Secondary Update...

    So, If you all have followed me on the older forums.
    I always liked gun suggestions involving Pistols, Machine Pistols, Revolvers and Other Secondaries for the reason that we need secondaries, and that's true.

    You may also remember that I mentioned "Secondary Update" alot, Because we need an update that expands our choices of secondaries, Which is also true.

    And when asking Shay about it, He also agrees there should be a Secondary Update and is willing to work on it.
    And now here I am, With a new big suggestion list about a topic, and this time the topic is a well fitting Secondary Update.

    I am going to write my personal requests and idea's for a successful Secondary Update here, Of course you all can give your opinions and idea's here too.

    Anyways, I'm gonna get started with it:

    (Quick extra note, All of these are suggestions, Please do not mistakingly think this is a confirmed update, All we know is that Shay is interested in making such an update.)


    The Secondary Update - Suggestion List:

    New suggested features:

    • Temporary new gamemode: Sidearm Wars
      • Bans the use of Primaries during the round, No exceptions.
      • All Secondaries, Melee's and Grenades are still allowed, but Secondaries are recommended.
      • Just like Gun Game and Infection, this is temporary.
        • The gamemode will be Test Place and VIP Server exclusive after, or if a dev decides to activate it for fun.
    • New +25 XP Bonus for killing someone while gangster aiming with a pistol.

    Current secondary change suggestions:

    • M9:
      • Rename to "Beretta M9"
    • G17:
      • Revert name to "Glock 17"
      • Minor reload nerf when 33rd Mag is equipped.
    • M1911:
      • Minor muzzle velocity nerf.
      • Reduce magazine capacity to 7.
    • Desert Eagle L5:
      • Small damage range nerf.
    • M45A1:
      • Nothing.
    • Five Seven:
      • Nothing.
    • ZIP 22:
      • Minor recoil buff to be usable again with scopes.
      • Minor recoil nerf when Pro Mag is equipped.
    • Desert Eagle XIX:
      • Readded Police Attachments.
    • G18:
      • Revert name to "Glock 18"
      • Minor reload nerf when 33rd Mag is equipped.
      • Decreased long range damage.
    • M93R:
      • Rename to "Beretta M93R"
      • Minor damage nerf to make sure it's no longer a straight upgrade of the M9.
        • Still enough damage to do a 3-hit burst kill.
      • Decreased long range damage.
    • TEC-9:
      • Added 32 Round Magazine attachment.
        • Increases magazine capacity to 32.
        • Decreases spare ammo to 32.
        • Increases weight.
        • Increases reload time.
      • Decreased long range damage.
    • Micro Uzi:
      • Minor recoil buff for less RNG.
      • Added 25 Round Magazine attachment.
        • Increases magazine capacity to 25.
        • Decreases spare ammo to 50.
        • Increases weight.
      • Decreased long range damage.
    • MP1911:
      • Added Stock attachment to reduce recoil.
        • Increases weight and makes hipfire less stable.
      • Decreased long range damage.
    • MP412 REX:
      • Decreased reload time due to it's realisticly fast reload mechanism.
      • Decreased RPM to 450.
    • 1858 New Army:
      • Slight nerf in recoil because it being super OP right now, especially with fan firing.
    • Mateba 6:
      • Nothing.
        • Because it's an Autorevolver, It should hold the fastest RPM, Double Action revolvers normally fire at 200 RPM, but I don't want to ruin the other revolvers.
    • Redhawk 44:
      • Decreased RPM to 350.
    • Judge:
      • When using Flechette, Pellet spread slightly increased due to extra pellet count. (Test Place)
      • When using Birdshot, Pellet spread is increased.
      • Remove Slugs and replace it with .45 Long Colt for more balanced stats.
    • Executioner:
      • Nothing.
    • Serbu Shotgun:
      • Small pellet spread buff because the Sawed Off and SAIGA are better.
      • Small close range damage buff at close range.
      • Recolor this gun, It's ugly right now.
    • SFG 50:
      • Slight reload buff to make it more viable, since the BFG and SFG are the worst weapons in the game actually.
    • Sawed Off:
      • Nothing.
    • SAIGA-12U:
      • Nothing.
    • Obrez:
      • Remove random RNG choke/spread.
        • It has enough drawbacks already, why does RNG spread exist?

    New secondary suggestions:


    CZ-75

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    Stats:

    A 12-rounder pistol that has high damage for a 9mm pistol, Lower than average magazine size for a 9mm pistol.

    Category: Pistol
    Country of origin: Czechoslovakia
    Damage: 38-29
    Damage falloff range: 50-95 studs
    Headshot multiplier: (x1.50) 57-43.5
    Bodyshot multiplier: (x1.20) 45.6-34.8
    Fire rate: 780 RPM
    Magazine size: 12
    Ammo reserve: 108
    Bullet type: 9x19mm
    Reload time: 2.0 seconds
    Empty reload time: 2.1 seconds
    Default fire mode: Semi
    Fire modes: Semi
    Muzzle velocity: 1,800 studs/s
    Penetration depth: 0.5 studs
    Weapon walkspeed: 15.0 studs/s

    USP .45

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    Stats:

    A .45 ACP pistol with 10 round magazine, High damage like the other 2 .45 ACP pistols, Lower fire rate than the other 2, but makes up for it's lower recoil.

    Category: Pistol
    Country of origin: Germany
    Damage: 50-28
    Damage falloff range: 15-80 studs
    Headshot multiplier: (x1.40) 70-39.2
    Bodyshot multiplier: (x1.10) 55-30.8
    Fire rate: 600 RPM
    Magazine size: 10
    Ammo reserve: 50
    Bullet type: .45 ACP
    Reload time: 2.6 seconds
    Empty reload time: 2.8 seconds
    Default fire mode: Semi
    Fire modes: Semi
    Muzzle velocity: 1,650 studs/s
    Penetration depth: 0.5 studs
    Weapon walkspeed: 15.0 studs/s

    Makarov PM

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    Stats:

    A classic pistol from the well known Roblox game: Apocalypse Rising, 8 round magazine with a small bullet, Deals low damage but has very low recoil.

    Category: Pistol
    Country of origin: Russia / Soviet Union
    Damage: 33-19
    Damage falloff range: 40-80 studs
    Headshot multiplier: (x1.40) 46.2-26.6
    Bodyshot multiplier: (x1.10) 36.3-20.9
    Fire rate: 750 RPM
    Magazine size: 8
    Ammo reserve: 64
    Bullet type: 9x18 Makarov
    Reload time: 2.1 seconds
    Empty reload time: 2.3 seconds
    Default fire mode: Semi
    Fire modes: Semi
    Muzzle velocity: 1,400 studs/s
    Penetration depth: 0.5 studs
    Weapon walkspeed: 15.0 studs/s

    Luger P08

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    Stats:

    Classic WW2 German pistol, Decent damage, but very low fire rate due to it's mechanism, A higher movement speed to calculate for it's loss of fire rate.

    Category: Pistol
    Country of origin: Germany
    Damage: 36-27
    Damage falloff range: 60-100 studs
    Headshot multiplier: (x1.50) 54-40.5
    Bodyshot multiplier: (x1.10) 39.6-29.7
    Fire rate: 116 RPM
    Magazine size: 8
    Ammo reserve: 72
    Bullet type: 9x19mm
    Reload time: 2.4 seconds
    Empty reload time: 2.7 seconds
    Default fire mode: Semi
    Fire modes: Semi
    Muzzle velocity: 1,100 studs/s
    Penetration depth: 0.5 studs
    Weapon walkspeed: 15.5 studs/s

    M11

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    Stats:

    Also known as the P228, Decent pistol with good damage and a good bodyshot multiplier.

    Category: Pistol
    Country of origin: Germany / Switzerland
    Damage: 40-25
    Damage falloff range: 50-95 studs
    Headshot multiplier: (x1.50) 60-37.5
    Bodyshot multiplier: (x1.20) 48-30
    Fire rate: 780 RPM
    Magazine size: 13
    Ammo reserve: 104
    Bullet type: 9x19mm
    Reload time: 2.0 seconds
    Empty reload time: 2.1 seconds
    Default fire mode: Semi
    Fire modes: Semi
    Muzzle velocity: 1,800 studs/s
    Penetration depth: 0.5 studs
    Weapon walkspeed: 15.0 studs/s

    CZ-75 Auto

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    Stats:

    Automatic version of the CZ-75 pistol, Good fire rate for a machine pistol, low damage, average recoil, low magazine count, but good reload speed and damage range.

    Category: Machine Pistol
    Country of origin: Czechoslovakia
    Damage: 31-19
    Damage falloff range: 25-60 studs
    Headshot multiplier: (x1.40) 43.4-26.6
    Bodyshot multiplier: (x1.00) 31-19
    Fire rate: 1000 RPM
    Magazine size: 12
    Ammo reserve: 72
    Bullet type: 9x19mm
    Reload time: 2.6 seconds
    Empty reload time: 2.7 seconds
    Default fire mode: Auto
    Fire modes: Auto
    Muzzle velocity: 1,800 studs/s
    Penetration depth: 0.5 studs
    Weapon walkspeed: 14.5 studs/s

    CBJ-MS

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    Stats:

    A SMG with lower fire rate, Stable recoil and damage, remains lightweight and easy to use.

    Category: Machine Pistol
    Country of origin: Sweden
    Damage: 36-21
    Damage falloff range: 32-70 studs
    Headshot multiplier: (x1.40) 50.4-29.4
    Bodyshot multiplier: (x1.00) 36-21
    Fire rate: 700 RPM
    Magazine size: 20
    Ammo reserve: 60
    Bullet type: 6.5x25mm CBJ
    Reload time: 2.6 seconds
    Empty reload time: 3.0 seconds
    Default fire mode: Auto
    Fire modes: Auto
    Muzzle velocity: 1,800 studs/s
    Penetration depth: 0.75 studs
    Weapon walkspeed: 15 studs/s

    PP-2000

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    Stats:

    Interesting machine pistol that can be considered a PDW aswell, Decent fire rate, recoil and damage while remaining fast to reload, Good muzzle velocity.

    Category: Machine Pistol
    Country of origin: Russia
    Damage: 36-21
    Damage falloff range: 32-70 studs
    Headshot multiplier: (x1.40) 50.4-29.4
    Bodyshot multiplier: (x1.00) 36-21
    Fire rate: 800 RPM
    Magazine size: 20
    Ammo reserve: 60
    Bullet type: 9x19mm
    Reload time: 2.2 seconds
    Empty reload time: 2.7 seconds
    Default fire mode: Auto
    Fire modes: Auto
    Muzzle velocity: 2,000 studs/s
    Penetration depth: 0.5 studs
    Weapon walkspeed: 15 studs/s

    Škorpion vz. 61

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    Stats:

    Well known machine pistol, Has a good damage falloff range and fire rate, but is not good for muzzle velocity.

    Category: Machine Pistol
    Country of origin: Czechoslovakia
    Damage: 36-19
    Damage falloff range: 32-70 studs
    Headshot multiplier: (x1.40) 50.4-29.4
    Bodyshot multiplier: (x1.00) 36-19
    Fire rate: 850 RPM
    Magazine size: 20
    Ammo reserve: 60
    Bullet type: .32 ACP
    Reload time: 2.2 seconds
    Empty reload time: 2.7 seconds
    Default fire mode: Auto
    Fire modes: Auto
    Muzzle velocity: 1,500 studs/s
    Penetration depth: 0.5 studs
    Weapon walkspeed: 15 studs/s

    Colt Python

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    Stats:

    A well known revolver, Lower damage but better muzzle velocity due to a long barrel.

    Category: Revolver
    Country of origin: United States
    Damage: 52-33
    Damage falloff range: 70-100 studs
    Headshot multiplier: (x2.50) 130-82.5
    Bodyshot multiplier: (x1.40) 72.8-46.2
    Fire rate: 400 RPM
    Magazine size: 6
    Ammo reserve: 42
    Bullet type: .357 Magnum
    Reload time: 3.6 seconds
    Empty reload time: 3.6 seconds
    Default fire mode: Semi
    Fire modes: Semi
    Muzzle velocity: 2,000 studs/s
    Penetration depth: 1.0 studs
    Weapon walkspeed: 14 studs/s

    Model 500

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    Stats:

    Extremely powerful revolver, This revolver deserves to 1-hit headshot at all ranges, but at the cost of a low fire rate, long reload and heavy recoil.

    Category: Revolver
    Country of origin: United States
    Damage: 90-48
    Damage falloff range: 40-80 studs
    Headshot multiplier: (x2.50) 225-120
    Bodyshot multiplier: (x1.40) 126-67.2
    Fire rate: 200 RPM
    Magazine size: 5
    Ammo reserve: 20
    Bullet type: .500 S&W Magnum
    Reload time: 4.2 seconds
    Empty reload time: 4.2 seconds
    Default fire mode: Semi
    Fire modes: Semi
    Muzzle velocity: 2,000 studs/s
    Penetration depth: 2.0 studs
    Weapon walkspeed: 13 studs/s

    OTs-38

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    Stats:

    Revolver with an intergrated suppressor, Low damage but makes up for it's silence, Shooting the body or head is still powerful.

    Category: Revolver
    Country of origin: Russia
    Damage: 48-25
    Damage falloff range: 45-70 studs
    Headshot multiplier: (x2.50) 120-62.5
    Bodyshot multiplier: (x1.40) 67.2-35
    Fire rate: 400 RPM
    Magazine size: 5
    Ammo reserve: 40
    Bullet type: 7.62x42 mm SP-4
    Reload time: 3.6 seconds
    Empty reload time: 3.6 seconds
    Default fire mode: Semi
    Fire modes: Semi
    Muzzle velocity: 1,250 studs/s
    Penetration depth: 1.0 studs
    Weapon walkspeed: 15 studs/s

    Alright, that's it.
    I'm done, This took me hours to type all down.



  • Tbh I also really want the Colt Walker in PF, if only to have a very powerful troll secondary. Basically an 1858 with a torso kill range equal to or greater than the DEagle .50, at the cost of a super long per-bullet reload time.



  • Thing about reverting the G17 and G18 back to Glock 17 and 18 is that the whole reason why it was changed is to avoid copyright infringement. Changing it back would probably piss off glock, same with berretta.



  • What will happen if the PP-2000 was modeled after this? https://youtu.be/0LdfeBQVNh8



  • Renoir Das one long a$$ barrel



  • ButtHurtTryHard I don't see why this is a problem since we're using Roblox here.
    They have more weapons mentioning creator names, Such as the Steyr Scout, Remington 700/870,...



  • Todo with this suggestion list:

    • Add Skorpion.
    • Add P228.
    • Add an accurate description on all weapons why I chose these stats.


  • I mean Darkman, ROBLOX is still a pretty large company, at the point where they get licensing and merchandise deals with Disney



  • The thing about the name change was from raspy himself, he said that glock reached out to the to tell them not to use their name in their game, Even then, it’s not like it’s a massive game changer, and the he Glock to G isn’t really a big deal. I would rather have a name changed gun, then that gun being removed, or the game being shut down


  • Banned

    MP1911:
    Added Stock attachment to reduce recoil.
    Increases weight and makes hipfire less stable.
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  • Hellcat5 That just gave me a childhood flashback. Thanks.



  • Updated main post.



  • I'd make the CBJ-MS and PP-2000 PDWs/SMGs since they're a little bit larger than typical machine pistols, but I'd also like to add the Stechkin APS and Steyr TMP as proper machine pistols (TMP is the stockless predecessor of the MP9, another thing I'd consider a PDW/SMG).



  • SlugShotSniper Well, I'm pretty much done with the post.
    If you need the stats format, here it is.

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    | --- | --- |
    |Category:|Revolver|
    |Country of origin:|Russia|
    |Damage:|48-25|
    |Damage falloff range:|45-70 studs|
    |Headshot multiplier:|(x2.50) 120-62.5|
    |Bodyshot multiplier:|(x1.40) 67.2-35|
    |Fire rate:|400 RPM|
    |Magazine size:|5|
    |Ammo reserve:|40|
    |Bullet type:|7.62x42 mm SP-4|
    |Reload time:|3.6 seconds|
    |Empty reload time:|3.6 seconds|
    |Default fire mode:|Semi|
    |Fire modes:|Semi|
    |Muzzle velocity:|1,250 studs/s|
    |Penetration depth:|1.0 studs|
    |Weapon walkspeed:|15 studs/s|



  • No mini fals



  • Switzerland
    yes



  • EnderEyesBlazing Well, I would love to know if there's a FAL secondary.



  • Darkman_Bree Maybe if it has the same body as the FAL Para Shorty, but takes Glock mags.

    Speaking of which, I really want the Draco 9mm AK as a PDW. Maybe to fill the gap as a CQB oriented low fire rate low recoil PDW. That has 33+1 round mags because glock mags.



  • Darkman_Bree

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    SA58 Pistol



  • CamaroKidBB an94 side arm?